June 12, 2012

Liar, Lunatic, Lord

I was driving back from an airshow with an SUV full of WWII veterans when I was asked outright: “Marcus, what religion are you, anyway?”

I never know how to answer that.

It’s honestly asked, yet it tends to invite misunderstanding and judgment. No matter what you answer, you’re bound to get stuffed into a box.

I say “honestly asked,” because when I interviewed the veterans for We Who Are Alive & Remain, we talked about everything imaginable—fear, killings, nightmares, marriage, and, yes, religion and politics.

Very few of the veterans wanted to discuss politics at length (except Lt. Buck Compton—he could talk politics all day).

Yet all the men—without exception—wanted to discuss matters of faith. I guess when you get to be their age you can’t help but wrestle with life’s biggest questions: Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where are we going when we die?

The men’s answers ranged all over the place. Several said Catholic. Shifty Powers was a Baptist. Lt. Roy Gates had conquered a drinking problem through A.A., (an organization that leans on a higher power), yet said he was a staunch atheist.

How did I answer?

I grew up in a world where religion and questioning mixed together. My father was a minister; my mother a journalist. So I grew up believing in God, yet asking him all the hard questions I could.

No matter how religious someone grows up, there comes a time in everybody’s life where he needs to make his belief system his own, apart from his parents’ faith. For me that happened in college and graduate school. I studied theology and journalism myself—not so much to get a job, but because I wanted to grapple with life’s hard questions.

I began to read the books of men such as Dr. J.P. Moreland and Dr. William Lane Craig—clear-minded, intellectual giants who had not only studied theology and philosophy, but also chemistry, mathematics, and science.

Through the Kalam Cosmological Argument, they laid out a logical case for what they termed “a personal, infinite, first cause” for the universe. In other words, God, plausibly, and even mathematically, could very well exist.


But this other part of my religious upbringing, this Jesus Christ, was a much trickier horse to bet on.

I didn’t doubt that a famed historical teacher once lived and breathed in the ancient near east. Even secular historians like Josephus described the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as fact.

A nice enough guy, that Jesus. A good leader. And he surely captured the attention of the crowds.

But to form a whole world-view around him?

Seemed a little overboard.

From the perspective of textual criticism, there was strong evidence to conclude that the accounts written about Jesus were accurately reported. Still, there was this one thing Jesus said about himself that was difficult to accept.

Jesus said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life,
And no one can get to God except through me.”

That was a bold statement for a mere leader to make. Too bold perhaps. For some time I needed to wrestle with its implications.

I mean, can you imagine any of today’s influential leaders saying the same things about themselves? What if Bill Gates said that about himself? Or Bono? Or President Obama? What kind of reaction would that provoke?

Or think of it this way. Through books, I am an influential leader. What if I said …

“Hey everybody, guess what?
Me, Marcus Brotherton: I am THE way.
I’m the sum total of all truth.
And no one can get to God except through reading Shifty’s War.”

You’d think I was a lunatic—on the level with someone who claims he’s a box of breakfast cereal.

And I’d be a liar too. Because none of that’s true about me.

Therefore, I concluded, there was no way that Jesus, if he was simply a good teacher, could justifiably make those statements about himself.

That Jesus was a crazy liar.

Hmm.

Unless—and this is what I gradually came to accept, and this is how I answered the question in the SUV—there was one more option.

He was telling the truth.



Question: What do you think about Jesus?


20 comments:

Tobias (GER) said...

I'm cristian, so I believe in go and I do believe in Jesus. Maybe the words of Jesus are ment that way. You have to believe in him to find the way to god. Cause he was the son of god, who lived on earth to bring god's faith to us.
But I think I have too less knowledge about the whole thing that I could make out the truth.
Sometimes it makes you feel better that you can ask someone to help out, if there is not really someone on earth who can. It can make you feel like you are not alone reaching that goal. You can count on somebody else to help you. At least you ask him for it. So he knows it matters really hard for you to reach this goal.

Again good question, which is hard to answer especially for a young guy like me.

T

MB said...

Well put, Tobi.

Hank said...

Marcus, the older I get, the more I see the ludicrousness (is that a word?) in so much of the world of religion. There's so much crap that goes along with the words "church" and "Christianity" (not to mention all the other religions out there that do crazy things to try to please a "god"). Whether it's the lunatic hate-mongers in Westboro Baptist Church (seriously, who has the cohones to picket and protest Billy Graham, for pete's sake?!) or the blue-haired ladies on TV, I can't really blame people for cringing when they hear anything connected to Jesus.

But with my cynicism toward "religion", I've spent many years sorting through the big questions of life, and specifically the one you pose, and I can't deny Jesus' reality. The whole liar, lunatic, lord argument is very compelling and when I hear people say that he was a good man, I can't help but smile, because that just doesn't make any sense at all. And if he was really crazy, why would all of his closest buddies end up dying for him and his cause? You just don't die for something or someone you really don't believe in. That really only leaves one option, and that with some pretty big ramifications!

Anyway, I can only imagine that these men who have faced death and destruction that I can't even fathom, are intent on wrestling through this issue. It's a great question to ask ourselves.

-Hank

MB said...

Hank, I appreciate your thoughts here. Sounds like you've done some good thinking in this area. Best to you--MB

Carlton Lowry said...

Marcus, I am a Christian, and believe in Jesus. I also believe that he IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
When we met, years ago, I knew in my heart, you were from a family with a religious leader in it. The way you speak, carry yourself, and your humility are personal traits you exude as a Christian. Thanks you for being our friend.
Carlton

MB said...

Thanks Carlton. Best to you and your family, and thank you for all of your family's service to our country. --MB

Nick Tarr said...

Hi Marcus, for me your post is very timely! For this post I'll wear my heart on my arm! At the age of 47 I am now working through the big questions of life. I have been a strong believer in evolution, though I now believe that there is a Lord God and as Tobi commented that alone can be very powerful companion in life. My father, a Korean war veteran and sufferer of depression post that experience is a Christain through the Church of England in the UK, it has with out a doubt bought him an anchor in his life.In some ways I wish that my mother also had the same faith as it may have had different impact upon I and my sisters. I am currently visiting a Baptist Pastor once a week to work through some key questions, that person brings a very refreshing vision on where the Lord is in relation to the religions that us as humans dress up in various structures and values. I have struggled greatly with the extremes of religion and lets not forget that these are found in both the democratic countries of the world and the more fundamental countries where we find people justifying their actions through their take on religion. "Tricky One Jesus Christ!", I completely relate to your comments when you were working through this at college, I have the same thoughts now. I will through discussion, reading and study look to further my undertstanding of Jesus through the words of the bible. Though I do believe that the bible is a human record of activities many years ago and taken too literally can be used dangerously. Human religion for me should be open, transparent, fair to all, non dictorial, excercised with humility and above no oppression of people. I can see that this will be a very deep exeperience for me and not without its challenges! I am sure that Jesus is telling the truth, it may just take me a while to get it all! I will take a look at the references to certain books that you mention in your blog and read these. May the Lord bless you and your family. Kindest Regards Nick

MAT said...

The confusion comes from the thought of following Jesus the man vs. what he symbolized. Jesus the Christ is the path to God that exists in every one of us. Unconditional Love of self and all others is the Path. He is Unconditional Love. His statement in this context makes perfect sense.

Donna Pyle said...

Marcus, thanks for this well thought-out post. I didn't grow up going to church regularly. We went enough for me to understand that God was the big guy--the one in charge. But He was way up in heaven waiting to throw a lightening bolt at me if I stepped out of line. But Jesus? I had no clue. I remember people calling him the Son, but didn't recall God being married. Then at 23, a friend invited me to attend church and it changed everything. I learned Jesus is about relationships, not religion. In fact, he eschewed the Pharisees and Sadducees regularly and called them all kinds of rude things because of the way they used God's laws (and the 600+ they added to the original 10) to control and manipulate. Jesus is about love - Him loving us and us loving each other. Our love can change lives, but His love saves them. And me. And you. And every single person who earnestly seeks Him. That, my friend, is life-changing.

MB said...

Nick, Mat, and Donna--thank you.

Kaylee said...

Well, I hope it doesn't make anyone cringe to tell you that I was raised in a Jewish household. I encountered assorted prejudices at times growing up, but I also came across many people who cared about the person I am and not my religion.


I have thought a great deal about religion over the years. It seems to me that although religions can be very different in some respects, the way people are expected to conduct themselves, treat others and the overall teachings on how to live your life are often the same.

Who Knows What Else said...

If Jesus is neither liar nor lunatic but Lord, then the things He said are the Word of God and are true.

He said, "This is My Body for the forgiveness of sins. Do this in memory of Me."

He said, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church."

He said, "Whatever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven."

For this and an ever increasing number of reasons, I am Catholic.

MB said...

Kaylee, thanks so much for your comment, and your thoughts are always welcomed here. No cringing here. :)

MB said...

WNWE...thanks for your comment as well. best to you--MB

Kaylee said...

Thank you, Marcus!

Anonymous said...

Marcus thank you for your blog. I always enjoy reading what you write and then reading the comments.
I am a Christian. My pastor, now long gone to be with the Lord, once asked us "you say you believe in Jesus, but the question I ask you is do you believe Jesus?". That to me is the crux of the matter. One can read and study and discuss it, become convinced of the existence of the Creator and that Jesus lived and walked the Earth, but understanding and accepting what Jesus was saying is the point. It changes everything. I believe Him.

MB said...

Good point, thanks. --MB

Yuri said...

Hi Marcus. Always a joy to read your blog. I always find them interesting and they make me think a lot about the topics you write about. As you know, I am atheist. Although I don't really like that word, it just comes closest to how I think about religion. Therefor, to me, Jesus is just a historical character from a book that might have been written a long time ago to give people something to hold on to, or to find strength in. Nothing more then that. I honestly respect anyone here on the blog who does believe, and I am very happy for these people that they find comfort, help and strength in this, but personally, this "Jesus" never was able to help or guide me. One of my best friends is very religious, and he gets a lot out of his connection to Jesus and/or God. While interviewing several veterans for my book, I also found out that some of them say they survived the war because of their faith in Jesus/God, while others say their experiences during certain battles was proof enough that there is no God, and that the bible is just a made up story to give people hope. I don't judge anyone, I just follow my heart and feelings and go through life without the guidance and help of this Jesus. It worked out fine so far.

Doug said...

And honestly Yuri, I wish there were a lot more atheists that had the same attitude that you do. It's a shame, because a lot of the tension that is going on in the world stems from the fact that people who believe something contrary to someone else are seen as a "traitor" or something. There is nothing wrong with believing something different than somebody else; we are collectively human, yes, but we are also very individual, and able to have our own beliefs.

You know, I'm in college now, and I'm not really sure what exactly I believe. I grew up a Catholic, but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Marcus has to say. And it makes sense too! I'm sure I'll come to some kind of a conclusion someday, but for now, I'm still a bit lost.

Marcus Brotherton said...

Doug--thanks so much for your comment,

and you, too, Yuri. Somehow I missed yours earlier.