January 29, 2013

The Problem with Lance Armstrong’s Religion—and how Hugh Jackman's Silver Candlesticks can help

1.

Lance Armstrong once believed that since he didn’t have any big-time character flaws, then after he died he could stand boldly before the throne of an all-righteous and almighty God, (if there indeed was a God), and all would be okay between Lance and God.

So, according to Lance, what mattered most in God’s eyes …

was that Lance was a good guy.

Hmm.

Let’s sift through that worldview a bit, and let’s do it in a format that’s longer than most of my regular blog posts, because I think a lot of people are struggling with similar aspects of this, although it’s articulated different ways, so I want to give it fair, closer treatment.

Here’s how Lance Armstrong once described his religion. At least, this is what he thought was most important 12 years ago when he wrote his memoir:

The night before brain surgery, I thought about death. 
 
 I searched out my larger values, and I asked myself, if I was going to die, did I want to do it fighting and clawing or in peaceful surrender? What sort of character did I hope to show? Was I content with myself and what I had done with my life so far?
 
I decided that I was essentially a good person, although I could have been better—but at the same time I understood that the cancer didn't care.
 
I asked myself what I believed. I had never prayed a lot. I hoped hard, I wished hard, but I didn't pray. I had developed a certain distrust of organized religion growing up, but I felt I had the capacity to be a spiritual person, and to hold some fervent beliefs. 
 
Quite simply, I believed I had a responsibility to be a good person, and that meant fair, honest, hardworking, and honorable. 
 
If I did that, if I was good to my family, true to my friends, if I gave back to my community or to some cause, if I wasn't a liar, a cheat, or a thief, then I believed that should be enough.

At the end of the day, if there was indeed some Body or presence standing there to judge me, I hoped I would be judged on whether I had lived a true life, not on whether I believed in a certain book, or whether I'd been baptized.

If there was indeed a God at the end of my days, I hoped he didn't say, “But you were never a Christian, so you're going the other way from heaven.”

If so, I was going to reply, “You know what? You're right. Fine.”

[Source: It's Not About the Bike, by Lance Armstrong, Putnam, 2000. pp. 116-117]

2.

Maybe you hold to a similar worldview.

It’s easy to do. We figure that if we’re good to our families, true to our friends, if we give back to our communities or to some cause, if we aren’t liars, cheats, or thieves, then that should be enough.

Lance Armstrong’s belief system has a name—moralism—and it’s a popular belief system the world over. But the problem with moralism emerges whenever we’re honest with ourselves. As we pull back the layers of our lives, we see we’re not as flawless as we think we are.

We all just witnessed a clear breakdown of moralism with Lance. Sure, Lance was an incredible bicyclist, steroids or not. Sure, he beat cancer, and that was inspirational. Sure, he began a foundation that’s raised millions of dollars for cancer research, and much good has been done there.

But Lance’s recent confession to Oprah—from Lance’s very own lips—could be summarized as straightforwardly as this:

Hi, I’m Lance Armstrong.
And actually I am a liar and a cheat and a thief.

What now, Lance? If it was the night before your brain surgery and you were thinking about death again, how would you categorize your belief system?

Is everything still okay between you and God?

If we’re tempted to condemn Lance for his shortcomings, hold on, because here’s a story that throws me in the same category. Pretty much, anyway. One story among many:

3.

Years ago I worked as the student manager for a university catering company. Sometimes when they were shorthanded, I got pulled over to the lunch line where I made sandwiches. It was humbling work, and I didn’t like it much, but it paid the bills.

One day, lines were long. Students waited, tapping their feet. I was running full tilt, working as fast as I could. The bread and the mayo were getting slapped around with a fury. Lettuce and processed chicken flew through the air.

That busy day I noticed one unripe, green, and ugly tomato slice lurking in the stack. It needed to go. I should have just chucked that tomato slice. I should have shoved it to the side of the tray and let it lie. But I just couldn’t. Try as I might, I couldn’t throw that ugly tomato away.

Maybe I was thinking about conservation, how it’s deeply rooted in my Scottish ancestry not to throw away food. If I were to lie to you, maybe that’s how I’d explain things. Most likely, I was just feeling downgraded and wanted to dump that feeling onto someone lower on the totem pole.

Anyway, I picked the nerdiest college sophomore I could find in the lunch line, a kid I was sure wouldn’t raise a fuss, and when he got to me I slapped that unripe tomato slice straight onto his sandwich.

Nerd.

The kid saw what I did. He sort of gulped, like he wanted to ask me to change out his tomato slice. But lines were long. Students were waiting. And I motioned to him with a cool head jerk—move along.

See, that’s every moralist’s problem.

When we take an honest moral inventory of our lives, what do we find?

4.

In retrospect, I know now that I picked the easy way out that afternoon in the lunch line.

In fact, I picked the quietly cruel way. I didn’t champion someone’s need, no matter how small that need may have been—in this case, something as simple as the need for a regular tomato slice.

No, I’m not proud of my actions. I judged someone, and my actions were wrong. No, not wrong in the big scheme of things. I didn’t kill anyone, or torture babies, or embezzle $100 billion from elderly investors. But I was wrong nevertheless.

How can I possibly compare what I did in the lunch line to the depth of public deception Lance Armstrong has just confessed to? (Please note that I neither want to trivialize Lance’s indiscretions, nor make the mistake of saying all faults are equal, which they’re not). Sure, I’ve done worse things than tomatogate, but I purposely picked an example of a small indiscretion to illustrate this important principle—when it comes to moral perfection, to one degree or another we all fall short.

The bad news is that this problem of moral imperfection extends to everyone. It’s no secret we humans tend to be selfish. We don’t like to admit when we’re wrong. All sorts of lust-filled thoughts fly through our minds, and we do little to stop them. We’re prone to be greedy. We think we’re tolerant folks, but in our hearts it’s far too easy to judge people, particularly when they’re different.

Sure, we have the capacity to do good, too. We can be great neighbors and we can be kind and create foundations and do all sort of benevolent work. But the problem is that, just like Lance, we spend years convincing ourselves we’re not liars, cheaters, or thieves, when that’s not the truth—at least to some degree.

Since we know we’re not perfect, we hope that God will be pleased with us because we’re not as bad, say, as Adolf Hitler. Equally so, we know we’re not at the other end of the scale either—we’re not as good, say, as Mother Teresa. We tend to see our lives as falling somewhere in the middle. Hopefully our bad will outweigh our good, we think, at least before we die and face the Big Man upstairs. Surely, we hope, God grades on the curve.

But what if God doesn’t?

That’s potentially one of the thoughts running through Lance Armstrong’s mind these days. His worldview has had holes shot through it. By Lance’s own admission of guilt, he has nothing left by which to judge himself virtuous. He’s just dropped way down the curve. He once thought that what was most important was not being a liar, a thief, and a cheat. Too bad. Now he knows he fits those same awful categories to a tee.

Wow, Lance, I hope there’s some other factor after death, some other criterion that God uses to determine admittance to heaven.

That’s where Hugh Jackman helps.

5.

Have you seen Les Miserables? Maybe you read the book by Victor Hugo. Lots of singing in the movie, I know, but that plucky Anne Hathaway is sure to win an Oscar.

Right at the start of the story, you’ll remember, the hardened ex-convict Jean Valjean (played by the grizzled and chiseled Hugh Jackman) steals silver candlesticks from the kindly bishop, Monsignor Bienvenu.

In the night, Jean Valjean runs away from the monastery, candlesticks in hand, but is caught by three fierce French policemen. They haul him back to the bishop, expecting a display of justice and wrath. The crime will mean the guillotine for Jean Valjean. Off with his head!

But the bishop does the unexpected. Instead of condemning Jean Valjean, the bishop gives him the candlesticks to keep and sends the policemen on their way. No arrest is made. Jean Valjean is a free man.

Jean Valjean’s mouth drops open. Stunned, he whispers how no person has ever before demonstrated to him any action of the sort.

“Jean Valjean, my brother,” the bishop says. “You belong no longer to evil, but to good. It is your soul that I am buying for you.”

That’s a picture of this other factor at work. It’s good news for Lance, me, Hugh Jackman, and every other imperfect person in the world.

St. Paul of Tarsus explains this other factor like this:

… by grace you’re saved through faith …

What grace means is that our goodness is important, sure. It’s always good to be good. But there’s a different factor besides our goodness that’s at work. Grace takes the blame, covers the shame, removes the stain, in the words of U2. With grace, it means that God is in the business of handing out undeserved favors. Grace means we are able to receive the goodness of God with no strings attached, no matter our flaws.

With grace, it’s like God says, “Look, Lance, enough is enough. You messed up, sure, but your life isn’t over. Follow me from here on out, that’s what’s most important.”

Or God says, “Look, Marcus, most days you’re a fine fellow, but no matter how good you are, you’ll always have those moments like you did in the lunch line. So you need something different. You need grace.”

Grace is what God extends to Lance Armstrong—liar, cheat, and self-professed thief that he is.

Grace is what God extends to me, flawed individual though I am.

And grace is available for you—no matter if you call yourself a Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, or Hindu. No matter if you’re an atheist, agnostic, nihilist, or spiritualist. No matter if you’re pro-choice, pro-life, democrat, republican, homophobe, or homosexual. No matter if you’re a pot smoking Washingtonian or a tee-totaling Texan. No matter if you’re searching and have no idea what truth is, no matter what you’ve done or where you’ve been, no matter what you hold as most important.

This is the good news for anyone clinging tightly to Lance Armstrong’s belief system.
 
It’s all about those silver candlesticks—God hands them out to anyone.

By faith they’re received. And they’re ours to keep.

We’re free men.
 

Question: What do you think about these ideas? Do you have a propensity toward moralism? How have you seen grace in action? How does a person receive God’s grace?

 

 

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

The question I have is:

Must Grace be accepted? Or is it there for us whether we choose to accept it or not?

Phil said...

Marcus,

Great thoughts. It is not easy to bring up the discussion of life after death. I appreciate your willingness to do so.

Marcus Brotherton said...

@Anon ...

A good question. Conceptually, sure, I'd say grace can be accepted or rejected by the recipient. Jean Valjean could have chosen not to accept the silver candlesticks if he wanted to.

God always seems to be a tremendous respector of free will. If you don't want anything to do with him, he doesn't insist.




Marcus Brotherton said...

@ Phil, thanks for the kind words. It's funny ... years ago I worked in a newsroom. People always tell you never to discuss religion or politics, but in the newsroom, those were the things we always talked about the most.

Anonymous said...

But what if Grace is just an imaginary concept that was made up by men to make themselves feel better for the wrongs they have committed? How is that significantly different from Lance Armstrong's moralism?

Yuri said...

Interesting blog entry. Where to start? I will start by saying that I don't believe in God. I don't believe in life after death. When I die, that's it. Lights out, thank you good night! It might not be a nice idea, but that's how I see it. Because of this idea, I have to make the best of the approximately 85 years on this world, if I am lucky to live that long! Why would we live now, while there is a better life after we die waiting for us? Why would God take babies away at a very young age that never had a chance to live properly and maybe make mistakes or do good? Will they go to heaven? Who would be so cruel to take away a young child from its parents, and place it somewhere in the after life? Who would be so cruel to cause a lifetime of pain to those parents? If that's the work of God, I really don't like this person. If this God is the cause to give my friends Cancer, I honestly don't like this God. What is his/her plan for us during our life right now then? A young guy who kills 10 people, and spends the rest of his life praying to God, living a good life for his remaining 70 years, never does anything wrong anymore...will he then go "to heaven"? Not if I can help it, he killed 10 people! Who is God to make that decision? If he killed for example my girlfriend, and God thinks: ah, he lived a good 70 years, he has learned from his mistakes, I will put Grace on him...no way I would agree with that. He still killed my love, and no Grace must be given for that.

About things I have done in life that aren't nice...I can see that this can be a problem. But I see it as a problem of that time. If I do something mean to someone, and I realize this, I can feel bad about this. I can talk to the person, apologize, and maybe hear that this other person never wants to see me again. That's a consequence of my actions, and I have to face it and deal with it right then and there. The hurt might go away, maybe it stays, but life goes on. I won't be presented a list after I die of things I have done wrong. If I think back, all the things I have done wrong, I have faced the consequences for. I have learned from those things. It made me realize how I want to live my life. If I said something to upset a friend, we can talk about it and end with a alright, everything's OK between us again hug. This would be the Les Miserables silver candlesticks moment. Placing a bad tomato on someone's sandwich is not a nice thing to do, but it happened. You now deal with the memory of this during your life here. You can't change this anymore. You know it was a bad thing to do, learned from it, and probably never did it again. You live and learn. I don't think you live and learn and die and live again.

Unfortunately, I was baptized at a very early age, when I could not say anything. I also did my holy communion when I was older, but for me that meant a big party with many presents! How little did I realize what this meant back then? I am currently looking into how to undo this, as I don't want to have anything to do with church or religion. Last time I was in church it was for my cousins holy communion. When everyone went for the body of Christ, I just sat still on my seat. Around me people were saying a prayer. I wondered why my friend who died of cancer who prayed died anyway. I wondered why one of my other cousins who prayed for her life died of cancer anyway. I wondered about the father of a girl I know, who spent his whole life believing and praying and doing nothing but good, lived on to see his daughter die as well. He is still in pain today, and questions what he did wrong in God's eyes. I wonder why during World War II, soldiers praying for their lives during a heavy shelling, died anyway. I wonder why millions of Jews during the Holocaust that prayed, died anyway. What sort of plan is this? Terrible.

Yuri said...

Part two:
I think we all grow up, do things we shouldn't do, learn from them, and grow into a person we like to be. We try to live our lives as good as possible, and try to be as happy as possible. If I want something badly, I work for it. I don't pray for it, I try to make it work.

I know religion is a touchy topic to write about and I applaud you for this Marcus! Again, I don't judge anyone who believes, prays and finds comfort in this, and I am happy it works for them. I am truly sorry if I offend anyone by my words, as I don't mean to harm anyone. One of my best friends is very religious. My sister goes to church. I don't have any problems with this at all. The words here are just thoughts I have thought about over the years, and are simply my own opinions on these things. The fact that a God would take away my friends from this world at such a young age, is something I can never forgive him or her if he or she ever existed. If he or she did this or let this happen, I think this God should think very hard about his or her own life.

Who will God face for these actions? Who gave this God the right to judge us, based upon what? This God caused more pain and wrong all over the world, than any of us could do. I will just keep living my life to the fullest, here and now. Before I die I will let my loved ones know I love them dearly, and I hope that I live on in the memory of those I loved as well.

Marcus Brotherton said...

@ Anon...
[You said: But what if Grace is just an imaginary concept that was made up by men to make themselves feel better for the wrongs they have committed? How is that significantly different from Lance Armstrong's moralism?]

A good question ... and one that gets to the heart of Epistemology--the study of how you know something is true or not. And this is both a simple and complex answer at the same time.

The shortest answer here is to back up and ask what something is based on.

Is it merely someone's opinion--like, in the case of Lance. Lance is not a theologian, nor would he claim to be. He's just a well-meaning individual who made some mistakes who rides a bike. Sure, he's entitled to his opinion, but that's all his opinion is, and that's all he would claim it to be ... his opinion.

Or is something, (like the concept of grace), based on Scripture--in this case a canon of historical teaching that has been studied, researched, and scrutinized by scholars for centuries.

Grace is one of the major teachings of the Bible. And, although there are differing opinions on exactly what grace is, and how it's dispensed, it's tough to get around such a direct statement from Ephesians 2:8-9 like I quoted in the article.

The fuller text from the English Standard Version of the Bible reads this way:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."


Marcus Brotherton said...

Yuri, your words don’t offend me at all. In fact, I’m glad to have a self-professed atheist such as yourself as a regular commenter on this blog. You make me think! And that is always good, so thank you.

You’ve lost a close friend to cancer, and that is one of the reasons you have a difficult time believing in God. In other words, how could a good God allow suffering? Or, why do prayers for good and just things apparently go unanswered? Or, how could a good God, if he is indeed all powerful, sit idly by while millions of people suffer, such as in WWII?

These are good questions. Very good questions.

Let me begin by saying, I, too, lost a very close friend to cancer. His name was Paul, and he died at age 36, far too young. We all prayed for his full recovery, but he died anyway. Sure, that raised some large questions about God in my mind.

So … maybe let’s just take one of those issues you raised—the issue about how a good God can allow suffering—and I’ll see if discuss it in the limited space of a blog comment box. :)

The Bible would teach that God is sovereign, meaning he is all powerful, all the time.

Yet God’s sovereignty does not mean that he can do everything, if the “thing” is contrary to his nature. For instance, God cannot sin. God cannot lie. God cannot do evil. So, in a sense, it’s true that God is paradoxically “limited” by the very nature of being God.

Although God is sovereign, he cannot do EVERYTHING--okay, keep that in mind.

Within this sovereignty, God has ordained and energized rules that pertain to moral and physical realms. Meaning, simply, God has set up some rules as to how our earth is run.

Mankind has got to reckon with these rules, or else suffer the consequences. That's how bad things can happen to good people.

For instance, God has set into motion the laws of gravity. If a person holding a baby in his arms jumps off a steep cliff, then the person (as well as the innocent baby) needs to reckon with this law of gravity. God is still good, even though the man and the baby will fall to their deaths.

That's the simple answer to how God can allow suffering.


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Marcus Brotherton said...

...[part II]

So, to keep going on this topic by using this illustration. Questions would be things like:

Where is God during the midst of this suffering?

It’s an oversimplification to say it this way, (because God is not bound by time and space) … but God is still present, still engaged, and still active within the lives of people.

God is at the top of the steep cliff, warning the man holding the baby in his arms not to jump over it.

God is with the man and the baby on the way down, offering love, grace, and reconciliation even as the man and the baby are bound by the law of gravity and plummet to their deaths.

And God is at the bottom of the cliff, offering comfort to the families as they grieve.

Could God have stopped the man from jumping over the cliff with the baby in his arms?

Absolutely. God hasn’t limited his sovereignty. He simply respected the man’s free will, even when the man was mocking the rule that God had set up (the law of gravity).

Is God rejoicing that the man and the baby fell to their deaths?

No, absolutely not. God is always a good father. He never indiscriminately smacks his children around.

Was either the man or the baby being punished for disobedience to God?

Because of Christ, people are disciplined by God, but not punished. So, the man was being disciplined for not heeding God’s physical law of gravity, but he wasn’t being punished.

The baby was not being punished or disciplined as a result of the baby’s disobedience to God. The baby, in this case, was innocent. Yet the baby suffered anyway.

That’s always the difficulty. These rules that are set up affect guilty as well as innocent.

So why didn’t God, if he is all-powerful, save the man, or the innocent baby, in the first place? Why would God “sit idly by?” (The question is really: How can a good God allow people to suffer, particularly innocent people?)

First, don’t blame God for the suffering. Blame Satan, for being the father of lies, and mankind, for making choices that mock God.

Second, the fuller answer is, like the book of Job, that we don’t ultimately know the reason why God acts as he does. God gives some answers, but he doesn’t give all his answers.

God does, however, always invite us to have faith—faith that God is good, and that God has his reasons why things happen.

Sometimes this faith saves us from suffering.

Sometimes it doesn’t.

Alright, obviously much more can be said here.

Bottom line is that I'm glad we're talking, I'm glad we're talking about such complex issues, and I'm glad to have you, Yuri, as a friend here, even though we've never met in person.

gary sedgwick said...

Marcus Excellent blog. I should email this to our minister. Just have my computer back after repairs. A fellow classmate who played college baseball and I played Community College basketball talked about would we take a pill that would increase our jumping ability or bat quickness for more home runs and hits. There is a chance that we would have, but drugs were not available to our family income level and around our hs campus. I did not appreciate the way Lance bullied his other riders and tv personnel during his career plus leaving his familly. Grace is a part of Lyyne and I and our religion. I also sometimes wonder why some events happen but God gives humans the right to decide their life. I anm glad that our parents started us with a church background and we continued as adults. I enjoy the song Amazing Grace by ILDIVO when sung at the Coluseum with the bagpipes in the background. I enjoy the music fro Les Mis, but have not seen the movie. In the movie Battleground, it shows the Chaplain giving services in the Battle of the Bulge. I prayed very hard when my wife had cancer in 1900 and she has done very well with no reaccurance. My mother had cancer behind her left eye and lost the eye and 1/2 of her perfect teeth but survived. Like many of us, we have all lost friends to caancer but God has allowed scientists and doctors to improve the quality of life having had this disease. War is one of the hardest of events to deal with. I have mentioned that I read military history as I so respect the men and women in the armed force, Chaplains, doctors, nurses, and civilians involved.

gary

Marcus Brotherton said...

Gary, good thoughts all around. Thanks. --MB

Yuri said...

Hi Marcus, thank you for your thoughts as well. To be honest, I always find it difficult to talk about "not believing" in a God. Mainly because I never want to cause hurt to anyone, or being seen as "dumb" or "ignorant". I usually keep all these thoughts to myself. It's something that I think and feel, and don't want to force this onto anyone else. So, it's a bit difficult to write about this. The things you write here are also clear to me; I understand what you are trying to say, and it is interesting to see your view on this. I still don't have the same view as you in this, but that is OK. I am always interested in hearing about explanations about certain things. Funny enough, I have heard many different explanations about all of this from many different people. Each person has its own feel and view about their faith, God, religion. I think that is the thing that I actually like about it; To see certain friends finding their comfort and strength via their faith. It just works for them, and helps them. As I said before, your blogs always make me think about the topics for a while, and I often find myself talking about these things during the weekend with some friends over a couple of beers. "what do you think about the idea that we should have more adoptions and less abortions?" was a topic I discussed with some friends last week. Always interesting. Thank you for being open to my thoughts as well, and thank you for always making me think about these things. Even though I don't believe in God or his rules and actions, I always support the things that my friends think is important to them. Thank you for being such a kind man, and such a wonderful author. Your writing, surely is an inspiration to me. Your Dutch friend.

Marcus Brotherton said...

Yuri, thanks so much. Let's keep talking. :)

Cory said...

Marcus, thank you again for another wonderful and thought-provoking post. It's surprising how imperfect we all really are when we really stop to reflect. I don't know how many times God has handed me a pair of silver candlesticks only for me to misplace them or throw them away...he must see something I can't. Thanks for what you do.

Cory said...

Yuri, thank you for your comments; I am new to Marcus' blog, and I am always impressed by your thoughts and comments. They really get me thinking.

I hope Marcus doesn't mind, but I'd like build off of his response to your comments with a small story. A friend of mine was very close to a family whose little girl was killed in a tragic train accident; the family, of course, was crushed. There was a very somber feeling at the funeral; several family members trying to cope with the loss spoke how it was (somehow) God's will that the little girl be taken. A very respected and high-ranking leader of the church had heard the terrible story and come from out of town to attend the funeral; he was very troubled by the comments.

He felt prompted to ask the family if he could say a few words. After expressing his condolences, he respectfully said that he felt the need to stand up and address the idea that God was somehow behind the death of the little girl. He then said, "God doesn't kill little girls with trains." Rather, we live in an imperfect world where we are subject to accidents, disasters, disease, and the bad choices of others. God certainly has the power to prevent, stop, or reverse any of these things, but he often lets this world run its imperfect course because his perspective is much different than ours. To his eternal and omnipresent view, our mortal lives are very short passageways back to him. He, like any good parent, does not want his children to suffer, and the train accident was a terrible tragedy. However, a beautiful little girl went back to meet him that day, free from the pain and suffering in this world.

I'm not nearly as eloquent as Marcus, but I felt inclined to share that story with you; I hope I was able to express it in a way that helps to answer some of your questions. Thank you again for your comments.

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Yuri said...

Hello Cory, thanks for the comments, I appreciate it. Also, thank you for sharing that story. That's a sad story. About the answers I wrote down before: I think I know the answers to my questions, since all of them can be answered in a way that can be explained. They were just there to prove my point that the Bible or a God won't give those answers to me. My good friend died of cancer because he was sick. Research has been done and we now know what cancer is, how it works inside the human body. Why did someone else survive the cancer? Well, research has been done to find a cure. It's all scientific evidence that I can read about, and that we can see the results of. Why did a soldier fighting for my freedom died in WWII? Because the German enemy had zeroed in on him with his weapon, and pulled the trigger. All these things can be explained.
I just don't know the answer of proof of God or how a God can be explained? As I said, when I ask people to tell me to explain how according their believe all of it works, they all have a different answer, and they all find a way to use a certain text of the Bible that might apply to the situation. I am pretty sure I can write a book with quotes that can be used in any circumstances. I know that sounds silly, but that's how I see it. And I believe that's where the strength lies..people find hope and strength in the words of the Bible, and again I will say, I am happy they do. I don't have a problem in finding answers to those questions. I have thought about them, and accepted each situation as it is. Again, I appreciate your story, and I am looking forward to see more replies on this blog every week. Thanks for the discussion Marcus!

Lauren said...

You paint a beautiful, and I think, accurate picture van Gogh.

-lc

Marcus Brotherton said...

Hi Lauren, nice to hear from you. best --MB

Tobias (GER) said...

guess I missed quite a few brilliant blog entries.
I wish I would have the time to read all through them and their comments too.
Unfortunately I don't have the time at the moment. Every free minute I'm working on a translation project for a mobile phone company. And sure enough there are not many free minutes when you are in parenting time with your 1 year 2 months old son.

Keep up the good work Marcus!
Thanks for your ongoing comments Yuri!

T

Ruben Lorentsen, Fredensborg said...

Hello Marcus

You paint a very fine picture of grace out of Les Miserables. Thank you!

Here is just a thought, that ran from your picture: the cost of grace is on God. It's not costless for the priest to give Jean the candles. He has to let go of what is surely his and take the cost on him. The same, just in a much greater sense, with forgiveness.
It's not costless for God to forgive. Man is in rebellion against him, so he has every right to strike him. But he doesn't. He takes the wrath on himself. That's the reason, I am granted forgiveness, because God in love took his wrath on himself so He could grant me forgiveness.

/Ruben

Clare said...

Another great post and sone interesting follow up comments (excepting the insulting cartoon one!) I love how you and others write and share so freely and eloquently. A quick add on to Yuri's dilemma.
I see three main reasons why we suffer.
1) People can suck! We are sinful and can cause hurt to others - sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. People also have poor priorities. We value money and ourselves over other people and the environment etc. We often think short term, not long term. Many cancers and illnesses and accidents (clearly not all!) caused by our bad lifestyle choices and environmental degradations. This is not God's fault, but we like to blame him.
2). Life is not always fair! Bad things happen, good things happen - and not always to the deserving people. But I remember my youth leader once saying that he was glad life could be unfair, because just imagine if everything that happened in life was our fault, or that we actually got what we deserved. Now that could be even harsher than life as it is!
3) God suffers. If we believe that we love because God first loved us, then the flip side is that we suffer because God first suffered. He created a perfect heaven and then a motley bunch of proud angels rebelled. He created a perfect world and the humans did the same, then proceeded to wreck the place. He sent prophets and then his beloved son and we ridiculed them and killed Him. He created us and he hurts when we hurt. So why shouldn't we feel pain - it's part of the human experience. That doesn't mean we have to like it, but we can learn from it and help others through it. And Christians can gather comfort from the One who understands it all.
That's my 5 cents worth anyway.

So glad I've discovered your blog! :)